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June 22, 2006

He Might Think He's Being Original, But He's Not

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While our little family generally likes to think outside the box, it seems as though Irving prefers to pee outside of it. Can anyone recommend a contraption that the litter box could sit on that might contain his spillage? We were considering a dish drainer, however those designed to, um, drain, so that option is out.

Yes, we are aware of why he might be seeking alternate receptacles for his urine. I am going to test out the use of Feline Pine tonight (it has helped his allergies in the past) and we are going to separate the boxes, two of which we had been keeping in the bathroom. And no, Irving is not peeing in that box above (though I would not put it past him).

*He is also peeing on one corner of the rug.
**Everyone should know that we did take Irving to the vet. He might have a minor UTI and is taking medication. We are still on the lookout for rogue urine.

Posted by callalillie at June 22, 2006 10:13 AM | Feline Musings


having been down the same road allow me to reccomend
: A Huge litter box with a roof and sides (they sell them at all the big pet stores)
He may still be off with his aim - but the pee will not escape the box - it may hit the walls - but it is still contained.
And keep this box far away from the other boxes/let him use it first etc.

Posted by: Tiya at June 22, 2006 10:20 AM

I second the recommendation for a litter box with roof and sides. Works for us...at least as far as the pooping and peeing are concerned (our one cat has a tendency to scarf 'n barf so we're still busy cleaning up the puke every now and then... Just can't win sometimes...) Good luck.

Posted by: Ashley at June 22, 2006 10:28 AM

Wait, you mean the boxes with covers? We have them. Sadly, that has not helped :(

Posted by: corie at June 22, 2006 10:29 AM

Due to faulty litterbox construction, when my male cat pees up the sides of the cover it runs down the walls, through the little slots connected to the bottom, and onto the carpet. I got an outdoor sisal rug (at Target) and put the litterbox on top of that. It protects my (wall-to-wall) crappy apt carpet and can be hosed off.

As for your rugs, there are two products I like (both at Bed, Bath, and Beyond...I live in superstore heaven): Zero Odor and Urine Gone. In my attempt to live in a more "natural" home I found this site:

Posted by: mollysusie at June 22, 2006 10:44 AM

A litter box with walls and top is the way to go. However, they are not all created equal. Some have a leakable seam between top and bottom, others seem not to. Guess which is the one you want...

Good luck! Have you reminded Irving that misplaced peeing and pooping is, a, the final straw that lands an old (human) person in The Home, and 2, such behavior can be fatal to a cat, since in the feline version of a, The Home = The Pound? Not that you would ever do that to Irving, just sayin'.

Posted by: kmkat at June 22, 2006 11:08 AM

A friend of mine had a cat with the same kinds of issues...and he put the covered litter box inside an even bigger plastic pan. YOu might be able to find one of those plastic storage boxes that are big....and then cut the sides down to the sides are only 4 - 5 inches tall.

Posted by: xath at June 22, 2006 11:23 AM

Yuck- such a pain. I do advocate the Feline Pine - and you can flush the poop!

Posted by: lesterhead at June 22, 2006 11:25 AM

that's too bad that the roof for the box didn't help - it solved the same problem with one of our cats who apparently was a bit too stupid to figure out her butt wasn't in the box. but as for smell, arm and hammer odor control stuff that is sold in the kitty litter aisle definately helps control the smells. and an old towel that you can throw in the wash might that sits under the box might be a good idea.

Posted by: dahl at June 22, 2006 11:29 AM

Seconding the recommendation for the trimmed down version of the plastic storage box, but I'd go even lower - 1 inch or so, particularly since Uncle Irving isn't a youngster anymore. Has he had a check-up lately with urine sample test? Sometimes accidents are signs of unhappy kidneys. Sometimes accidents are signs of ... just cats being themselves, too.

Dominant cats will often poop in prominent places and not cover them up, just to show the other cats that they are the boss. Is Uncle Irving the head of the house? If so, he might be feeling like he has to remind the other critters that he's boss.

Plus PetZyme is great for cleaning up after any and all accidents (front end or back end).

Posted by: not-that-Andrea at June 22, 2006 12:32 PM

The storage box idea makes sense. I'll have to look in Target or one of those housewares places.

I'm not sure if I would call Irving "dominant," but he is the only male of four cats and in general, neither of the Robettes mess with him (Olive, on the other hand, is a different story). We are 95% sure that Irving has been leaving little poop piles on the rug (same place as the urine). It only happens at night and he tries to cover the pile with the rug afterward.

Irving is 8-- he does need a checkup, though we want to try everything before bringing him to the vet, as he does not appear to be in any physical distress.

Posted by: corie at June 22, 2006 12:38 PM

I'd take him to the vet first. I was fostering a kitten who had accidents and I thought he was just dumb. When he went for his neuter, guess what? He had a huge bladder for whatever reason. A huge bladder filled with infection and pus! Really unusual, and I was glad we caught it. But other than peeing on the floor, he had no symptoms. He was the sweetest, most laid back kitty ever.

Another friend has a bastard kitty with problems, one of which was a long untreated bladder infection. He got nicer once they finally cleared that up.

Posted by: Kerry at June 22, 2006 1:01 PM

these are brilliant and functional:

Posted by: hubs at June 22, 2006 1:17 PM

Holy Shit! They're $2K!
Maybe we can build our own out of some cheap furniture...

Posted by: corie at June 22, 2006 1:21 PM

We made a litter boxBOX for our cats. Basically it is a cardboard box, cut down to have only a 2-3 inch tallk edge. it is also about 10-12 inches longer than the litter box. We put the litter box in the litter boxBOX, push it all the way to the back, then put a plastic placemat by the entrance to the litter box (also inside the boxBox). Helps to keep litter from tracking everywhere, and we just create a new boxBox every few months (if there's been a bit of spray)

Posted by: tammy at June 22, 2006 1:34 PM

After two years of trying to find The Perfect Place for the cat's litterbox in our small-ish apartment, feng shui and process of elimination (no pun intended) had finally landed us at the bathtub. I was totally, VEHEMENTLY opposed to the idea when the husband first mentioned it, because--ewwww!--litterbox in the shower?! But in the end it made total sense for us. And the cat. (And it got the crap out of our relationship corner ; ) So there it is, residing in the room we spend the least amount of time in daily. We bought a few feet of plastic floor cover to keep the tub clean (and the kitty's feet dry) and combined with the wonderfully-flushable World's Best Cat Litter, it's been working out fine. Granted, we've been fortunate to not have any issues with our cat spraying, but I'd imagine if it's going to happen anywhere in your house, the bathroom (READ: unlimited access to running water) is certainly a prime spot. Far better than your Brand New Rug = \

Posted by: sandra at June 22, 2006 2:17 PM

Oh dude!
Turn your jacuzzi into a big litter box for Irving!

Posted by: Tiya at June 22, 2006 2:38 PM

I have an all-weather truck floormat with deep treading under my littler box. Not only does it catch a lot of the extra litter that sticks to their feet, but it also can hold approximately 24 oz of liquid. :)

Posted by: Nora at June 22, 2006 3:26 PM

the deal probably is that he stands up when he pees, so it's leaking from the seam where the lid meets the box. You might want to try the Tidy-Cat liiter box, which has a hinged top and more of an overlap than the others. It also has rounded corners, so you avoid those hard to clean corners that you sometimes get with male cats. Here's what they look like http://www.tidycat.com/getpage.aspx?ContentID=228. I got mine at Target. Good luck.

Posted by: Terry at June 22, 2006 5:55 PM


Posted by: PER at June 22, 2006 8:28 PM

Irving, you rascal you!

Posted by: Marjorie at June 22, 2006 10:22 PM

which one is irving?

Posted by: bad username at June 22, 2006 11:01 PM

My male cat, dante has the problem of high aim & urined dripping through the slots of a covered litter box. He did make a boo boo outside the box when he had crystals in his urine... a common proablem in male cats - something to do with not enough magnesium in his diet. also, a friend had this problem, and was about to give him to a shelter when she was told to move the litter box to a different location. She moved it from the spare bedroom (where his litter box had been for almost a year) to the bathroom & the out of box peeing/pooping stopped. try this - it is the easiest & cheapest alternative. Also, maybe try a different litter & a personal box for him, if you have the space! Hope this helps & he starts behaving soon!!!

Posted by: tatiana at June 22, 2006 11:18 PM

Ditto on the tidy cats litter box post. I like this litter box best & have tried a few other covered boxes that were just plain sucky.

Posted by: tatiana at June 22, 2006 11:20 PM

irving = orange
frieda = black
olive = litle
olga = fat

Posted by: corie at June 22, 2006 11:37 PM

this is so handy. randolph has taken to peeing and occasionally pooping on the couch downstairs. this morning, i caught him mid-poop (poop was already coming out). I then frantically carried him to two different boxes, chased him around, and eventually locked him into the bathroom with his box.

Posted by: tien at June 23, 2006 12:37 PM

have you tried puppy housebreaking pads? We had this problem and the pads captured the overflow and saved the hardwood floors... they aren't an attractive design solution, but worked while we figured out the problem...

Posted by: pat at June 25, 2006 9:09 PM

we put down puppy housebreaking pads around our kitty litter boxes. we tried the covered boxes, but might as well have eradicated litter boxes entirely, as neither one of our cats would go inside the box and took to peeing on the living room carpet.

puppy housebreaking pads are great

and that kattbank?? i'm afraid our oldest cat (24 human years, maybe 26-- we've been losing count) might not be able to figure that out. she's blind, arthritic, lacking in all but two teeth, and i'm sure she's slowly losing her sense of smell.

Posted by: seton at June 25, 2006 10:39 PM

when my beloved was having those same issues (his cute butt hanging out the litter pail and peeing everywhere), i switched litter boxes, to a bizarre shaped one. it looks like an igloo, and you walk up a ramp, and then into the litter, so in order to get to the litter, his entire body would need to be in it. it worked really well, and that was after wee wee pads (only encouraged him to use that instead of the box), spraying pheremones, and the like.

i still have the box, and am not using it, if you want to try it out, i am coming up in 2 weeks (for bastille day), and can get it to you then.

Posted by: skutchie at June 26, 2006 11:06 AM

Please see the vet. This is common behavior in male cats who are having trouble urinating due to crystals (Struvite) in thier urethra.

I just spent 2K on my cat and now am feeding him a 40.00 per bag o food diet.

Posted by: Liise at June 27, 2006 9:29 PM

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